Christians, how do you get around the difficult verses of the Bible? The verses which say slavery is okay, women not being able to speak in church, God's commandments of genocide against various tribes, etc.
If some of the most ardent abolitionists were Christians, why does Paul say, "Slaves, obey your masters."?
It seems that Paul was giving slavery the thumbs-up.
The first way is not to take one verse and try to make something out of it when the entire book needs to be combined to understand. Second, remember that alot of the old ways and laws were done before the coming of Christ. When Jesus died and arose again, He began a new set of laws for us to follow. References :
you need to know the bible duuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuu!@DUUU.com well, we try the best we can and move around it . badly we live with it References : BIBLE AND ME
I doesn't say slavery is okay, it says if your a slave be a good one, It asks for wives to submit to their husbands and to not seek teaching positions when it comes to Church matters as for the genocide that was Gods commandments to his chosen people Israel and if the Creator wanted the Israelites to take these tribes out then I'm sure he had a good reason, His ways are above our ways. References :
True, the Bible have deep words, figurative words…which means you dont have to take them literally and learning the bible yourself, you will have a hard time to figure out what does the true meaning of this, of that…
We, JEhovah's Witness have use this book (small yello book) called " What the Bible Really Teaches "…to help us understand the Bible…all teachings are base on the bible…Simpler way to understand what the bible really teaches…
Look for Jehovah's witness near you or open the site http://www.watchtower.org and you can have a copy of that bible for free…or email me jenice.dar@gmail.com so I can send you a copy. Dont wory thats for free, knowledge from God? we dont have to pay for that coz Jehovah God himself didnt ask for payment at all even Jesus when HE preached about his father Jehovah… References :
1.) I never approved of the Jews being in slavery to the Egyptians ( and please- don't try that "argument" about there being no record of any such event; the Cairo Archives say otherwise)
2.) Women not speaking in church? As the weaker vessel and the one who sinned in Eden, tough it up and deal with it.
3.) I have absolutely no problem with God ordering the death of heathen/pagan Amelakites who murdered innocent, young, and pregnant Israeli mothers (ripping their babies out of their stomachs), men women, old people, and infants.
I don't know which is worse: that the Amelakites and other heathen tribes did this, or the modern deluded fools who "feel sorry" about God ordering them killed for their heinous crimes of willful murder and bloodlust against the early Israeli community.
Another whiner bites the dust. Imagine that- actually lamenting over murderers being punished by the death penalty…good God, what are these modern, "enlightened" people coming to? References : Edit: I'm going to say it like this just one time only. Slavery in those days was NOT a bad word. Like any other word, it gets good-press/bad-press. That it has been horribly abused at various times throughout history there is no lack of evidence; in the days of the ancient and NT Jews, any slaves they had were more often than not people from other lands who knew that God was with His people, had blessed them abundantly, and were "looking for work", often """asking"""" to become a landowners "slave". It was well known among the Jews that God had ordered them to ALWAYS treat their slaves with the utmost kindness and protections. It's just in our modern, "politically-correct" culture that such concepts have been "demonized" by all the "fuzzy-hearted" and mush-brained victims of modern "enlightenment".
There are errors in some passages, and they are relatively obvious to the spiritually minded, but to those who are yet in the literal school, there will be confusion. The Bible contains truth, but it is hidden to a casual seeker of truth. References :
I don't get around them. The Bible is what it is – warts and all. The question is does your interpretation demand that you give equal weight to each word as the "Word of God'? For me, I have a broader principle of interpretation that says the Bible is a progressive revelation of who God is: we get only glimpses and pieces of the puzzle, gradually refined.
But the only perfect revelation of who God is comes in the person of Jesus Christ. Anything else is bound to be imperfect. So I read these other sections as being bound to their time and culture and setting, as human imperfections within the grander scheme of God's revelation.
You need to understand the times and the cultures in which these things occurred. On the issue of slavery it is interesting that some of the most active people to abolish this practice were Christians. Women speaking out in the meetings of the early church was cultural and in the interest of order. It had nothing to do with sexism.
The measures taken against the Canaanite peoples were the results of their own behavior. This was going on 500 years before Moses came on the scene because God said the iniquity of the Amorites was not yet full
If you carefully read the passages in question and do some historical research you will find the peoples destroyed by Israel under Joshua's leadership were so depraved that only annihilation could bring any kind of remedy. References :
the bible has many truths and many lies
just as with so many other things in this world that we must sift threw to find the truth the bible is no exception though most people would love to think the bible is infallible it is not
this is not a reflection on god because he didn't say the bible was true References :
God did not like slavery , that is one reason he got Israel out of Egypt.Woman was the first human to sin .God knew the hearts of those tribes,. References :
Well, I tell ya. I don't even READ the bible. Lots of big werds, lots of thinkin and thinkin to do. So, finally, I jus' tern the hole thing over to Pat Roberston. Why, he tell me everthing I need to know. For zample — did you know Jesus wuz republican. I ain't lyin'. Did you know he likes corporations. Mr. Roberston says. So I get to one of them sneaky passages some lawyer put in and I jus' write Mr. Pat Roberston a ledder and then he tells me. You ought a try it, young feller. It's easy, it's free and you can't go wrong. References :
The bible is telling what is going on in the world, by tradition, Jacob get two wives and it is not his choice, then each of them has a sister as a hand maiden, these traditions are not that of Jacob, but this produced the situation that produced the twelve tribes of Israel.
So in the world traditions and circumstances arrived, the apostles were not out to change traditions, if the men had rules for their females, the the rules applied, the apostles on the other hand had Dorcas, Phoebe, Priacilla and her husband, Thimothy and his mother and grandmother.
The bible covers a large territory. Most of slavery practices can be called employment. References :
So far…what I've gathered from the responses: You can't take the bible word for word…must put in context with entire book…or these words had different meanings back then and cannot be read literally…or God made the bible to confusing for us silly non theologists…Or that God was rightfully pissed and wanted to punish evil doers and he also seems to really have contempt for women. All these things sound like the work of mortal men to me……
Certainly doesn't make up the description for an "All knowing, perfect God." References :
First, you apply the conditions of an ended covenant to Christians, then you take a statement of Paul's out of context and conclude he is validating slavery.
No wonder you have difficult verses beyond your comprehension.
And we have slavery today in our societies, we just changed the way it works. One example is called "welfare." They are servants of the state, but they are not required to work much; just vote for those who will continue to give them support at the expense of those who do work.
One can also be a slave to what they believe, or don't believe.
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Christians, how do you get around the difficult verses of the Bible?
The verses which say slavery is okay, women not being able to speak in church, God's commandments of genocide against various tribes, etc.
If some of the most ardent abolitionists were Christians, why does Paul say, "Slaves, obey your masters."?
It seems that Paul was giving slavery the thumbs-up.
where does it say slavery is ok ?…and if it does..it has nothing to do with how it should be today…so nice try.
References :
Research and seriously thinking about the answers that I get.
If you research each of these topics I think you will find the bible's teaching is different than what you have been told to believe.
References :
The first way is not to take one verse and try to make something out of it when the entire book needs to be combined to understand. Second, remember that alot of the old ways and laws were done before the coming of Christ. When Jesus died and arose again, He began a new set of laws for us to follow.
References :
you need to know the bible duuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuu!@DUUU.com well, we try the best we can and move around it . badly we live with it
References :
BIBLE AND ME
I doesn't say slavery is okay, it says if your a slave be a good one, It asks for wives to submit to their husbands and to not seek teaching positions when it comes to Church matters as for the genocide that was Gods commandments to his chosen people Israel and if the Creator wanted the Israelites to take these tribes out then I'm sure he had a good reason, His ways are above our ways.
References :
True, the Bible have deep words, figurative words…which means you dont have to take them literally and learning the bible yourself, you will have a hard time to figure out what does the true meaning of this, of that…
We, JEhovah's Witness have use this book (small yello book) called " What the Bible Really Teaches "…to help us understand the Bible…all teachings are base on the bible…Simpler way to understand what the bible really teaches…
Look for Jehovah's witness near you or open the site http://www.watchtower.org and you can have a copy of that bible for free…or email me jenice.dar@gmail.com so I can send you a copy. Dont wory thats for free, knowledge from God? we dont have to pay for that coz Jehovah God himself didnt ask for payment at all even Jesus when HE preached about his father Jehovah…
References :
1.) I never approved of the Jews being in slavery to the Egyptians ( and please- don't try that "argument" about there being no record of any such event; the Cairo Archives say otherwise)
2.) Women not speaking in church? As the weaker vessel and the one who sinned in Eden, tough it up and deal with it.
3.) I have absolutely no problem with God ordering the death of heathen/pagan Amelakites who murdered innocent, young, and pregnant Israeli mothers (ripping their babies out of their stomachs), men women, old people, and infants.
I don't know which is worse: that the Amelakites and other heathen tribes did this, or the modern deluded fools who "feel sorry" about God ordering them killed for their heinous crimes of willful murder and bloodlust against the early Israeli community.
Another whiner bites the dust. Imagine that- actually lamenting over murderers being punished by the death penalty…good God, what are these modern, "enlightened" people coming to?
References :
Edit: I'm going to say it like this just one time only. Slavery in those days was NOT a bad word. Like any other word, it gets good-press/bad-press. That it has been horribly abused at various times throughout history there is no lack of evidence; in the days of the ancient and NT Jews, any slaves they had were more often than not people from other lands who knew that God was with His people, had blessed them abundantly, and were "looking for work", often """asking"""" to become a landowners "slave". It was well known among the Jews that God had ordered them to ALWAYS treat their slaves with the utmost kindness and protections. It's just in our modern, "politically-correct" culture that such concepts have been "demonized" by all the "fuzzy-hearted" and mush-brained victims of modern "enlightenment".
There are errors in some passages, and they are relatively obvious to the spiritually minded, but to those who are yet in the literal school, there will be confusion. The Bible contains truth, but it is hidden to a casual seeker of truth.
References :
I don't get around them. The Bible is what it is – warts and all. The question is does your interpretation demand that you give equal weight to each word as the "Word of God'? For me, I have a broader principle of interpretation that says the Bible is a progressive revelation of who God is: we get only glimpses and pieces of the puzzle, gradually refined.
But the only perfect revelation of who God is comes in the person of Jesus Christ. Anything else is bound to be imperfect. So I read these other sections as being bound to their time and culture and setting, as human imperfections within the grander scheme of God's revelation.
Peace to you.
References :
You need to understand the times and the cultures in which these things occurred. On the issue of slavery it is interesting that some of the most active people to abolish this practice were Christians. Women speaking out in the meetings of the early church was cultural and in the interest of order. It had nothing to do with sexism.
The measures taken against the Canaanite peoples were the results of their own behavior. This was going on 500 years before Moses came on the scene because God said the iniquity of the Amorites was not yet full
If you carefully read the passages in question and do some historical research you will find the peoples destroyed by Israel under Joshua's leadership were so depraved that only annihilation could bring any kind of remedy.
References :
the bible has many truths and many lies
just as with so many other things in this world that we must sift threw to find the truth the bible is no exception though most people would love to think the bible is infallible it is not
this is not a reflection on god because he didn't say the bible was true
References :
God did not like slavery , that is one reason he got Israel out of Egypt.Woman was the first human to sin .God knew the hearts of those tribes,.
References :
Well, I tell ya. I don't even READ the bible. Lots of big werds, lots of thinkin and thinkin to do. So, finally, I jus' tern the hole thing over to Pat Roberston. Why, he tell me everthing I need to know. For zample — did you know Jesus wuz republican. I ain't lyin'. Did you know he likes corporations. Mr. Roberston says. So I get to one of them sneaky passages some lawyer put in and I jus' write Mr. Pat Roberston a ledder and then he tells me. You ought a try it, young feller. It's easy, it's free and you can't go wrong.
References :
The bible is telling what is going on in the world, by tradition, Jacob get two wives and it is not his choice, then each of them has a sister as a hand maiden, these traditions are not that of Jacob, but this produced the situation that produced the twelve tribes of Israel.
So in the world traditions and circumstances arrived, the apostles were not out to change traditions, if the men had rules for their females, the the rules applied, the apostles on the other hand had Dorcas, Phoebe, Priacilla and her husband, Thimothy and his mother and grandmother.
The bible covers a large territory. Most of slavery practices can be called employment.
References :
So far…what I've gathered from the responses: You can't take the bible word for word…must put in context with entire book…or these words had different meanings back then and cannot be read literally…or God made the bible to confusing for us silly non theologists…Or that God was rightfully pissed and wanted to punish evil doers and he also seems to really have contempt for women. All these things sound like the work of mortal men to me……
Certainly doesn't make up the description for an "All knowing, perfect God."
References :
First, you apply the conditions of an ended covenant to Christians, then you take a statement of Paul's out of context and conclude he is validating slavery.
No wonder you have difficult verses beyond your comprehension.
And we have slavery today in our societies, we just changed the way it works. One example is called "welfare." They are servants of the state, but they are not required to work much; just vote for those who will continue to give them support at the expense of those who do work.
One can also be a slave to what they believe, or don't believe.
Whose slave are you? Ignorance?
.
References :
i don't get around them i just dig down deep in to my and soul search for answers
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